She Said What?!?

Monday, August 01, 2005

For Better Or For Worse

Thank God for TBS. Along with my life being in storage, my Sex and the City DVD library is in boxes, as well. And while I don't live and breathe the show anymore, it is always a good pick-me-upper during the down times.

After two months of abstinence, I caught a mere twenty minutes of the episode where, despite the fact that Mr. Big gives Carrie a wretched looking swan purse, she realizes at that moment she loves him. And then utters the forbidden three words. Though they had been spending every waking (and non-waking) moment together, his only response was that of silence.

It was then that I realized that the show made me feel worse, because these days, that's how it goes. You can't tell a guy you like his shirt without him thinking you want to have some wild love affair with him. Actually, he usually wants the wild love affair, he just doesn't want the commitment.

I spend my nights as a counselor to my single girlfriends.
Men of today's society need to figure out what the hell they want. And if they don't know, they can stop stringing my girls along in the meantime. Because quite frankly, it pisses me off.

Seriously, a simple "we need to hang out [more]" or an "I miss you"...just because she might, heaven forbid, like the guy...ends up with him running, because he thinks that she has more or less asked for his hand in marriage. And I'm not talking first dates...this is after weeks or months of seeing each other.

I'm not being judgemental here, but I just don't get it. Why bother dating (extensively) if you don't want a relationship? In defense to all you guys out there, I know there's plenty of girls that don't know what they want, either. So I guess it's even. And Carrie did end up with Big in the end. So maybe there is hope. Maybe one day I'll have it all figured out.
Maybe our mistakes are what make our fate. Without them, what would shape our lives? Perhaps if we never veered off course, we wouldn’t fall in love, or have babies, or be who we are. After all, seasons change. So do cities. People come into your life and people go. But it’s comforting to know the ones you love are always in your heart. And if you’re very lucky, a plane ride away.
Carrie Bradshaw; Sex and the City
*****
UPDATE: For more of the SSW Daily Show, check out Nashville Is Talking's, Sticking Up For Her Girls. Or, from the guy's perspective, look what Big Orange Michael has to say.
UPDATE #2: And if you want to talk music, go read Newton's latest so you can book your flights to Boston while the gettin' is still good. Then you can check back here later for more music news concerning the Exit/In tomorrow night.

38 Comments:

  • At August 01, 2005 8:01 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Two bits of advice: Ladies, don't let guys string you along. It may be easier said than done, however, if you're in to a guy and he can't commit or freaks out when you say things like the magic three words or "let's hang out more," then he's not as in to you or may never be able to commit. Things may work out, but don't waste too much time waiting. Second, don't use TV shows or movies as benchmarks for relationships, good or bad. (To the credit of women, guys seem more likely to base their expectations of women on hollywood much more than women do, and in much more shallow ways.)

     
  • At August 02, 2005 6:20 AM, Blogger Jamie said…

    You. Are. Carrie.

     
  • At August 02, 2005 7:21 AM, Blogger Stella said…

    Amen!! On both accounts.

     
  • At August 02, 2005 7:31 AM, Blogger newton dominey said…

    CRAP!!!!!!!!!! she ends up with the dude from law & order?!?!?!?!?thanks for ruining the ending, a-hole! ;-}

    said it once, i'll say it again. if you don't like the fish you're catching, switch ponds. not all the fellas are afraid of the c-word.

     
  • At August 02, 2005 7:32 AM, Blogger newton dominey said…

    ooh. just realized how stupidly open ended that was.

    c-word = commitment

    pervs.

     
  • At August 02, 2005 7:35 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Wow! Great post! There's absolutely nothing I can add. You've said it all and in the greatest of ways!

     
  • At August 02, 2005 8:29 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Great post. I feel threatened by all of it, of course.

    Also, Newton, thanks for the clarification on the c-word. I didn't immediately realize c=comittment. Apparently, I'm afraid of many of the c words.

     
  • At August 02, 2005 9:04 AM, Blogger Kleinheider said…

    I posted my comments over at NiT if you care to take a gander.

     
  • At August 02, 2005 9:52 AM, Blogger Stella said…

    AC, back atcha.

     
  • At August 02, 2005 10:08 AM, Blogger Kleinheider said…

    Jill, back atcha atcha :)

     
  • At August 02, 2005 11:27 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    My question is why do we have figure out about the C-word. Maybe it just takes some time to know a person. It is real easy to be really into a girl for the first two weeks, two months, six months...etc. Is there some sort of rule that says you are not allowed to not like a person. Girls are the most of the problem. Does anybody REALLY not know what a guy wants? Of course we want the sex, so does the girl! Girls and guys want the same thing... the C-word. Not committment but Compatibility! That is the most important aspect of any relationship!
    P.S. If you can cook and clean it is an added bonus. Also we like it if you make a lot of money. Oh and if you are really hot that is great too! We also like it when you wear those little thongs and other sexy stuff. Oh yeah and if you could stop with all the complaining about everything! If you do this I won't fart as much (That is for you Jag) and put the seat down. This thing is really easier than it looks.

     
  • At August 02, 2005 11:44 AM, Blogger Jamie said…

    Um...I'm honored. At least SOMEBODY has his priorities in order.

     
  • At August 02, 2005 11:52 AM, Blogger ariedana said…

    You have hit this stuff right on target. I know there are exceptions to the rule, but one of them will have to literally drop out of the sky in front of my door for me to see that happening in my life. It's tiresome. Excellent post.

     
  • At August 02, 2005 11:58 AM, Blogger Michael Hickerson said…

    I think this comes down a lot of times to the ability to communicate between two people--to say where y'all are and where y'all want to go.

    I've certainly not been innocent in this department of not hearing what I wanted to in a relationship in the past. Heck, I tried to convince myself for months that a girl I was realy interested in was great for me despite the fact that the only thing we didn't agree on was the desire to one day have a family.

    Yeah, that one didn't work out...

    But hey...dumb me, I kept thinking--oh she's just saying that now...it's not a real issue. Ha! ha! foolish me!

    Also, I went out with a woman recently and I was upfront about who I am and where i am in my life..but she ignored that consistently wanting more and more than I was ready to give at that point..to the point that it got ugly and we dont' speak anymore. And i hate that...cause I know in her mind I led her on...and i may have...because it's easy to hear what you want...heaven knows I've done it.

     
  • At August 02, 2005 12:07 PM, Blogger ariedana said…

    One more thing though...in real life, Carrie would have never ended up with Big in the end. Zebras don't change their stripes. I'd love to believe that a guy (or a girl) would realize what they're screwing up and throw their hangups out the window, but that never happens after years of nurturing them - at least without some really good therapy, which is Not Cool to so many people. And the timing would never be THAT perfect.

    (Believe me, I'm normally not such a cynic, but I've spent too much time with Bigs in the last few years.)

     
  • At August 02, 2005 1:01 PM, Blogger newton dominey said…

    holy crap! this is better than oprah!

     
  • At August 02, 2005 1:08 PM, Blogger Stella said…

    You all have such great responses (with the exception of peanut butter boy) and you've all brought up very valid points. Particulary Michael's point about the communication thang. I think that is half the battle right there.

    PS - Sorry Newton, I figured everyone had seen the last episode by now, seeing that it was a couple of years ago. Slacker.

     
  • At August 02, 2005 1:18 PM, Blogger Michael Hickerson said…

    The comment about spoiling things interested me a good bit.

    I listened to a podcast a few days ago in which the podcaster who is a parental unit lamented that she'd been good and TiVOed all of the first season of Battlestar Galatica but was still watching it....when she's in the store and the cover of TV Guide gives away a detail that we find out in the season finale.

    Now, my first thought is this--yeah, if it was the first two to three weeks after it aired, I can see being upset..but two weeks into the new season and three months or more later..yeah, no so much. Of course, I got chewed out on my blog for a year later giving away the big secret to the first year of the 4400.

    So what ya gonna do?

    And I'm just proud that someone thought I had a "good" point...:)

     
  • At August 02, 2005 1:26 PM, Blogger Michael Hickerson said…

    Back to the whole relationship thing...I always find it interesting the way women identify with Sex in the City so much and men seem to identify a lot more with Seinfeld. Certainly, I'd say I love Seinfeld more having just about memorized all the episodes and I can honestly say I've seen only one ep of Sex in the City and that one had Sarah Michelle Gellar so there was a whole other attraction for me there.

    But I was reading on Nashville is Talking and I posted some comments there...about the Seinfeld thing. I wonder how many times we got into something waiting for the other shoe to fall. We figure--well, I'm gonna get hurt, so let me find the way out early and easily so it's me doing the dumping, not him or her. I mean, we can come up with a variety of deal breakers that are nitpicky as all get out...such as man hands, close talking, using a toothbrush that's been in the toliet, etc..(OK, that last one is just gross, but you get what I mean, I hope). I just wonder how often we go into things with an open mind at first but then our past catches up to us and we make these things self-fulfilling prophecies....

    Just a thought....

     
  • At August 02, 2005 2:28 PM, Blogger Jamie said…

    Here's an actual comment. Who was it that keeps talking about fishing in the wrong pond? Was it Newton? Whoever it is, he's right.

    A single girl with any amount of brain will go to a club or bar with full knowledge that any man there will realistically be fling-only material but will inevitibly be disappointed having not found her soul mate. It's the nature of the beast. Beast being woman. Grrr.

    Therefore, women tend to give the benefit of the doubt to men they meet in less than ideal situations. Sometimes the rationalization goes like "I know that I am a normal, funtional adult outside of this bar, how do I know that he isn't? I should treat him like a human." Sometimes you're lonely. Sometimes he's hot. Doesn't change the fact that girls can initially put something on the line, leaving it out there to be taken advantage of, intentionally or un-, ultimately leaving the girl with another case against men and a feeling of dispair. Again, nature of the beast.

    The sooner you know what you want, the sooner you will get it. Rephrase...the sooner you know what you don't want. When you realize what you're not going to put up with, or what is not compatible with you, that will eliminate all the fish in those ponds right off the bat, leaving you with choices that meet your criteria. Personal example. I decided I didn't like dating pot smokers. Bing! That's half the population I don't have to sift through.

    Anyway, I was going to say one thing, and all that blather came out. It seems that men already know what they want, and they just kind of hang out until they find it. Most of our guy friends have been that way...had plenty of gfs, but when the right one came along who fit their preferred criteria (which must be inbred, since it's so rarely talked about or sought), that was that. I don't think men intentionally drag women along. I think there are lots of guys that don't know what they want until they see it. But I know women like that too.

    The End

     
  • At August 02, 2005 2:53 PM, Blogger Jamie said…

    Ok, not the end. I don't mean it to sound like I'm anti-female. I'm just putting out my personal female opinion of the male psyche.

    For the record, men are still diabolical.

     
  • At August 02, 2005 4:43 PM, Blogger Kleinheider said…

    men are still diabolical.

    Oh, and you were doing so well :)

     
  • At August 02, 2005 4:56 PM, Blogger Jamie said…

    AC, that applies to some, but not all. For the record, I have found a very un-diabolical member of your gender that I plan on whipping into matrimony, so there is proof that they exist. As for the rest, us ladies have to stick together, however misguided we may be. :o)

     
  • At August 03, 2005 7:38 AM, Blogger Michael Hickerson said…

    Hey...this post made me think enough that I posted and linked to it on my blog..

    Yeah, I know...blog-whoring, but hey...a guy's gotta do what a guys' gotta do...:)

     
  • At August 03, 2005 8:37 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Girls thinking like Jag is the problem! You say you have found a member of the male gender that you "are going to whip into matrimony"!!!! That is the problem right there! Why do you have to whip him into anything? I am sure you want to be who you are why should you have to try to change him!!!!??? I hate when girls do this. They have this image of who and what they want in there head and if that person does not fit into that mold then they will try and try and try to make him fit. And the guys that let this crap happen to them, GET SOME BALLS!!!!

     
  • At August 03, 2005 8:47 AM, Blogger Jamie said…

    Oh for fuck's sake. Pull your panties out of your ass and try to breathe.

    This is called hypocrisy. Guys can joke about women being barefoot & pregnant, or about how their place is in the kitchen, etc etc and the women involved will generally take the joke and move on. Men should be grown up enough to do the same.

    Obviously, you have issues with controlling women. A secure woman would not feel she had to change a man or anyone else. A man with any sense would not be with a women insecure enough to try and change him. Looks like you're speaking from personal experience. Perhaps you would be happier dating a goat. Or maybe a llama. They spit, but don't have horns.

     
  • At August 03, 2005 8:49 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I forgot what I was going to say since it took me a couple of years to scroll down to the bottom of the page and follow the links to every one else’s blog.....

     
  • At August 03, 2005 8:52 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Whoops! I meant "Everyone," not "Every One." Don't want to start a war here....

     
  • At August 03, 2005 12:30 PM, Blogger newton dominey said…

    i heart jag.

    jill, i don't have time to read through the poo-poo parade you started...can you just let me know when you're going to be on montel so i can watch it on the tele?

    if you guys want to read about something not so inflammatory, i've got shallow music discussions over here...

     
  • At August 03, 2005 12:44 PM, Blogger newton dominey said…

    oh, jag...i think i was wrong. you're not in the wrong pond (keeping with the analogy), you're fishing for the wrong fish. you can meet (well, not you, since you met a non-grass smoking cool guy) the right dude in any situation, just so long as you're looking for the right dude.

    okay. i seriously need to write a flimsily rationaled book on relationships or something. i can see it now, "hate the game, not the player: some jackasses ideas on relationships." it'd sell a bazillion copies. i'd be independently wealthy. i could jump up and down like a baffoon on oprah's couch...

     
  • At August 03, 2005 1:16 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Newton, I'm sorry, the buffoon position has already been filled. Better luck next time.

     
  • At August 03, 2005 1:46 PM, Blogger Jamie said…

    Newton, you can still heart me, because that's what I meant. All the analogies make it too confusing. I mainly mean that you have to narrow down which fish you want to catch...they can actually be in any pond. I met my man at work...I can't preach to anyone else about the physical pond. I would liken it to....um....kind of like going to Kroger. Kroger is a big pond. You can find good food in Kroger, but you would have to limit yourself to that which meets our standards. As in, you could spend a lot of time there, but if you hang out with the Hot Tamales when the organic raisins are in the next aisle, that's your choice.

    Does any of this make sense anymore? Jill needs a new post.

     
  • At August 03, 2005 2:23 PM, Blogger Stella said…

    Why stop now? I think we should continue talking in circles all week.

    Hey Newton, maybe one day we can be on Oprah together. I'll be your manager. As in artist.

     
  • At August 03, 2005 2:26 PM, Blogger newton dominey said…

    hot tamales are so darn tasty.

    very good analogy.

    my cat's breath smells like cat food.

     
  • At August 03, 2005 2:35 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Love is like whipping ferret poop off a balcony...at first you can't wait to do it, then the rush from the whip happens, and then the pooh turns into fertilizer...and, oh hell, I really wasn't going anywhere with this. Just wanted to say poop.

     
  • At August 04, 2005 9:19 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Hot Tamales and organic raisins would make some really nasty poop! I think that relationship would not last!
    Different fish swim all ponds. Jag's diluted negativism on how other people go a bout the dating scene does not apply for everybody. Maybe this comes from her extensive experience of talk shows!

     
  • At August 04, 2005 2:35 PM, Blogger Jamie said…

    Now THERE's a blog post I need to keep in mind. Look out world...here it comes.

     
  • At August 05, 2005 9:46 PM, Blogger Stella said…

    Did somebody say Rolanda?

     

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